[size=100]Hey, I'm One. You guys probably weren't expecting this because you all think I'm just trying to hate on people for no reason. I just wanted to point out something to do with the server and then make my case. Probably zero people enjoy my presence on the server because I criticize it and they get really upset at the sight of someone telling them they're doing something wrong. That's OK for newer servers I suppose but I'm just suggesting that you guys try to listen to what people have to say rather than just take as them being "immature" or trying to "disrespect". My point was that the leaders weren't doing anything with the apprentices or lower ranks and would rather just sit in the Dark Council room and sit with some other kids for some reason. He later made the point that he was doing admin business but I see no reason as to why that would stop him from saying "ok I will do training with the troops after this sit" or "whenever I'm busy". I'll just put what I said for context. [Advert] Sith Apprentice XI One: OK [Advert] Sith Apprentice XI One: LEADERS ARENT DOING ANYTHING [Advert] Sith Apprentice XI One: IM GONNA GO RAID SOMETHING [Advert] [Senior Admin] Payne: you better not ... [Advert] Sith Apprentice XI One: can you entertain someone on the server besides yourselves [Advert] Sith Apprentice XI One: do training or something [Advert] Jedi Youngling Shaft: Come raid us you bitch (OOC) Eternal Crusader Myth: oh sorry is he having fun?? (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: he took the leader position (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: he has to call training and stuff (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: thats just what he does[/size] [size=120][b]"[Advert] [Senior Admin] Payne: why dont you do fucking training? I am busy doing staff work, you arent a baby, train yourself[/b]."[/size] TL:DR I call him out on not doing anything that leadership includes and he gets upset and tries to roast me somehow, rather than just take criticism. As soon as he says that everyone piles on for what you would all call "[b]player disrespect[/b]". But since the admin disliked me he just let them pile on with all of the oh so very hurtful "[b]player disrespect[/b]" Here's just some examples of the disrespect, that I never even suggested saying to them afterward until it got bad. (OOC) Eternal Crusader Myth: he's not here you [b]idiot[/b] [Advert] [Donator] bac0n: he is a [b]baby[/b] (OOC) [Donator] Josh: He is doing staff stuff so [b]shut it [/b][i](For the record, this one really isn't all that bad. It's just disrespectful for no reason.)[/i] [Advert] [Senior Admin] Payne: what Myth said [i](Admin agrees with disrespectful comment)[/i] After the shower of "[b]disrespect[/b]" I start to get a little more vulgar. (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: if i was dark council id actually organize shit instead of sit in a room all day He insinuates that I wasn't being respectful enough [b][u](IN OOC)[/u][/b] (OOC) [Senior Admin] Payne: and Apprentices need to start learning respect (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: and if staff is too much for you maybe you dont need dark council Right after this he tp's to me and well, I'll just try to recreate the conversation from memory (if you're right about any mistakes I'll edit it, Payne. Oh and I'm going to use caps for effect because you were being quite loud.) Payne: HEY IF YOU WANT TO TALK SHIT SAY IT MY FUCKING FACE (this was in voice but my own text was in chat because my mic is broken) Sith Apprentice XI One: im not talking shit but ok Payne:YOU [b]ARE[/b] TALKING SHIT Payne: (something about stop player disrespect) Sith Apprentice XI One: im saying Sith Apprentice XI One: you're not doing shit Sith Apprentice XI One: its a statement Payne: IF YOU WANT TO TRAIN YOU CAN GO ORGANIZE IT YOURSELF (basically saying he doesn't need to do anything with his troops to make rp or make the server interesting at all.) STOP BEING A BABY Payne: IM BUSY DOING ADMIN STUFF SO YOU CAN DO IT YOURSELF, YOU'RE NOT A BABY Sith Apprentice XI One: (admin stuff) is inhibiting you from fucking doing training? (my point was that if he was doing 1-2 sits it wouldn't have taken long and he could have just said that.) Sith Apprentice XI One: ever since you fucking got on the server Payne: IF YOU KEEP TALKING SHIT IN CHAT ILL HAVE YOU BANNED Payne: [i](Noclips away while I'm typing)[/i] Me after the sit (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: go cry about criticism elsewhere (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: cant be that hard to take it (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: everything i said had a meaning behind it (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: you're a leader (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: you train the apprentices and lower ranks (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: you're supposed to make rp (OOC) Eternal Crusader Myth: He's also a admin (OOC) Eternal Crusader Myth: so if you don't respect him (OOC) Eternal Crusader Myth: You'll be punished (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: so mabye its too much (OOC) Eternal Crusader Myth: We all respect him (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: its just criticism (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: what is the issue (OOC) Sith Warrior IV Venom: ONE THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY RP IF THERE WASN'T ANY ADMINS (OOC) Eternal Crusader Myth: because he does good rp and he does good staffwork (OOC) Sith Warrior IV Venom: LET HIM DO HIS STAFF WORK (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: they respect him but they're just walking around doing nothing [i]Another bit of disrespect that went unpunished after the fact[/i] (OOC) Eternal Crusader Myth: we don't respect you because you are a [b]whiny little bitch[/b] who does nothing but troll and break rules (OOC) Eternal Crusader Myth: so how about I school you (OOC) Eternal Crusader Myth: about real life while you cry with your fedora (this bit is me going on about he was calling an admin because I called him slow and now he's trying to act like he's tough as nails.) (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: ooh now im gonna cry about how myth called me a name (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: ooh wait let me call an admin (OOC) Eternal Crusader Myth: yeah go ahead and be a [b]keyboard warrior[/b] (OOC) Eternal Crusader Myth: here in derry, we'd fucking [b]smash your teeth in[/b] (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: you're a child (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: how old are you like 12 (OOC) Eternal Crusader Myth: I'm 14. (OOC) Eternal Crusader Myth: so get schooled. [i]I do it again because I'm just getting trampled by everyone on the server and I want them to listen.[/i] (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: you sound like a baby (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: quit trying to act tough (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: because im not (trying to) (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: why is everyone so thin skinned on this server (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: seriously (OOC) Eternal Crusader Myth: I'm not thin skinned, I'm just pissed off you don't stop complaining and getting annoyed at every nook and cranny[i] (I wouldn't really be too upset with him if he didn't realize that people give criticism when they want a server to [b]IMPROVE[/b].)[/i] (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: nook and cranny (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: ok (OOC) [Senior Admin] Payne: last warning One, [b]stop looking for fights[/b] [i](He just insinuates that I started the entire ordeal with the name calling nonsense when I was just trying to tell them something that would make the server far more enjoyable)[/i] (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: im bored to hell and its because none of the leaders do shit on this server (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: it (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: is (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: criticism (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: just try to learn something from it [b](OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: im not being spiteful or hating for no reason[/b] (My last chance to reach them before I was banned.) Ban note: -------===== [ BANNED ] =====------- You have been banned from Universal Networks ---= Reason =--- Player disrespect, lack of maturity ---= Time Left =--- 3 days Dark Voice Payne(STEAM_0:1:74018883) You may appeal on the fourms @: http://empirenetworks.mistforums.com/ I mostly went over everything I wanted to go over. No one was banned for player disrespect other than myself. And I think the "lack of maturity" really comes in to play when a player who wants a server to better gives it some criticism and they flip out and start calling names. I hope he reads this and tries his best to reflect on it rather than deflect everything that is shot his way. No one is perfect, so don't be upset when someone tries to be helpful toward the server. To be fair, it did work on the Sith Emperor. He took the criticism and got a little upset but right after he went and [b]did a god damned event[/b], rather than insinuate that he's been insulted by some apprentice just looking for a good server. TL:DR i tried to give criticism and people piled on assuming that I was just trying to be irritating or insulting to other players for no real reason. I don't expect this to get accepted if everyone else in this situation is the same or acts the same as the people I encountered earlier.  

I seriously pity whoever has to read this entire thing. 

Or they will probably ignore you and just won't unfortunately.

You didn't include the part about how you called me slow (Disabled) and tried to "school" me on knowledge I already had. You did start this by using name calling, trolling in the EE temple and refusing to leave. We then killed you and you bragged about how we all died (5v1) from crossfire in an enclosed area. You deserve your ban because you are a troll, and an argument starter.

i did mention it by the way. and i was trying to educate you, i never said school so dont use quotes. i was also punished for what happened there. what you did is a great example as you just refused to listen to me and once i explained you called me an idiot when youre just wrong. and i wasnt trolling, that was when i was just trying to talk to you. as for the bragging, i was just trying to enjoy myself. while youre here do you want to take responsibility for what you said? and im not sure how there can be crossfire when we all had lightsabers.

i accept this will likely be ignored but if someone reads it hopefully they at least learn something because that situations was ridiculous. and myth trying to clear his name by jumping and bringing up something i was already punished for is just pointless.

id like to point out that admins are not adding me to avoid conversation on the topic, and those i have added likely have me blocked. basically letting their emotions get the better of them and refusing criticism. and that myth guy didnt comment at all about what i said all he did was try to bash me on a fruitless topic. (probably didnt even read it all) best of luck to you guys, good luck on improving the server by listening to others.

Well that's unfair but see you next time hopefully (If this is denied etc).

I'm genuinely surprised that you're with me in this situation, but my guess is that this will not be denied or approved. Or if it is denied it will be for some ridiculous reason. I thought player disrespect was just a warn or a kick at most, but I guess that "lack of maturity" really stacks up that ban to 3 days because the admin was a little upset with me trying to help the server. The method worked really well on the Sith Emperor because he said that he was busy but right after he said "OK, I'll do a tournament. Happy?". He did have a bad tone but at least he made the game more fun.

You should have of taken screenshots of the chat from the chat, This could have been false or he could have of changed the chat

[quote][url='http://empirenetworks.mistforums.com/user/135817']AJRC upgrade.gg[/url] said previously: You should have of taken screenshots of the chat from the chat, This could have been false or he could have of changed the chat[/quote] Valid piece of advice, everything is 100% true and there were far too many people on the server for me to make up fake items. The only part that was up to debate was Payne talking in voice chat. If you think that I altered the chat, it just proves that everything that they said was just far too absurd to be possible. If I changed something in the quotes I probably put parentheses surrounding it, an example of this is. (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: because im not [b](trying to)[/b]  Oh and if Payne really wants to solidify his dishonesty set it in stone that's the kind of person he is, he can go ahead and call me a liar on the text chat. But the voice chat is up for debate, I know all of the elements of the voice chat are there but they might be a little mixed.

Ok, so I can kinda see where you are coming from, you expect to be told what to do right? Now I am going to tell you where I am coming from, when you are the duty to manage a server that [I personally say is quite successful] is tough work right? especially when you aren't only a staff member but also a Dark Council member. Now I want to go back to the part where this conversation happened that basically started everything [and this is just going to be short because I don't see the point in arguing]  [color=#c0392b][b][Advert] Sith Apprentice XI One: OK [Advert] Sith Apprentice XI One: LEADERS ARENT DOING ANYTHING [Advert] Sith Apprentice XI One: IM GONNA GO RAID SOMETHING [Advert] [Senior Admin] Payne: you better not ... [Advert] Sith Apprentice XI One: can you entertain someone on the server besides yourselves [Advert] Sith Apprentice XI One: do training or something [Advert] Jedi Youngling Shaft: Come raid us you bitch (OOC) Eternal Crusader Myth: oh sorry is he having fun?? (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: he took the leader position (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: he has to call training and stuff (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One:[/b][b]thats[/b][/color][b][color=#c0392b] just what he does[/color][/b] So you assume that a leader's job is to continually make sure that his members are training? no, a leader's job is to manage his men. And if I inform you to go and train while I "meditate" [Staff Work] that is regarded as an official order is it not? so for you to just go ahead and say "Leaders aren't doing anything, thatsI'm gonna raid" is Nr.1 Disrespect against your highers because you are performing your own assault without permission from your higher ups. And after that informing me that I am entertaining myself instead of taking care of you. Now as a person who has led groups for about 6 years now, that is a true trigger right there. You have the nerves to inform me that I am not doing my job properly because I am taking care of people? that is a bit stubborn. And I just want to go back to the "he took the leader position, he has to call training and stuff that's just what he does". I can not emphasize enough that that is just something leaders don't do, as a leader I have higher responsibilities than to make sure you are training, that's your job, I expect you to be a grown person about it and actually do something like that on your own. Your leaders don't tell you when to shower or take a piss, do they? a leaders job is to worry about things that, don't understand this wrong, are above common soldiers. The reason we didn't have a raid is that there is more than to just run around and attack like Vikings, there is planning involved, diplomacy, mutual agreement [Democracy] etc. and that is the answer you would have gotten if you only would have asked nicely instead of going out on your own limb and attempting to break the chain of command.  next subject im covering: [color=#c0392b][b](OOC) [Donator] Josh: He is doing [Advert] [Donator] bac0n: he is a baby (OOC) Eternal Crusader Myth: he's not here you idiot [/b][/color][b][color=#c0392b]staff[/color][/b][color=#c0392b][b] stuff so shut it [i](For the record, this one really isn't all that bad. It's just disrespectful for no reason.)[/i] [Advert] [Senior Admin] Payne: what Myth said [i](Admin agrees with disrespectful comment)[/i][/b][/color] I love how you twist around words like that, the reason I agreed with Myth was because he informed you that I was not "in my office being lazy and entertaining myself" but was actually working like I have been for 2-3 weeks now. [btw twisting words like that causes unnecessary trouble and is deemed immature, so I would drop acts like those] and the next subject:  Your disrespect as seen right here [b](OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: if [/b][b]i[/b][b] was dark council id actually organize shit instead of [/b][b][b]sit[/b][/b][b] in a room all day He insinuates that I wasn't being respectful enough [u](IN OOC)[/u] (OOC) [Senior Admin] Payne: and Apprentices need to start learning respect (OOC) Sith Apprentice XI One: and if staff is too much for you maybe you don't need dark council [/b] Your amount of disrespect was directed at what you said in the beginning which is: [b][Advert] Sith Apprentice XI One: OK [Advert] Sith Apprentice XI One: LEADERS ARENT DOING ANYTHING [Advert] Sith Apprentice XI One: IM GONNA GO RAID SOMETHING [Advert] [Senior Admin] Payne: you better not ... [Advert] Sith Apprentice XI One: can you entertain someone on the server besides yourselves [Advert] Sith Apprentice XI One: do training or something [/b] So what you said was blown out of the water And now for the last subject: I know that you did not copy paste this so your evidence is debatable, the reason I know this is because there is no timestamp and my name isn't correct.  [b][size=150][color=#c0392b]So since you basically threw yourself in a ditch by admitting you started off the conversation with disrespect and no form of criticism your ban appeal has been denied and you may return when it has ended.[/color][/size][/b]

[b][size=150]Ok, I just spent like 15 minutes making a response to that mess that he just posted, but it's all gone because steam made me sign in again. I'm going to respond again if and admin denies his denial due to the fact that half of the trash in there is just wrong, I'll try to make another packed coherent response.[/size][/b] I spoke with Payne very briefly and I was addressing that all quotes were indeed copy and pasted and after proving him wrong on the subject, he just removed me. First point of the false copypaste. "there is no timestamp and my name isn't correct. ". [i]There are no timestamps in console, which is where I copy and pasted it.[b] [/b][/i][i]And by saying that, you're lying because you're insinuating the content is false. You just threw yourself in a ditch.[/i] " Your amount of disrespect was directed at what you said in the beginning which is: [b][Advert] Sith Apprentice XI One: OK [Advert] Sith Apprentice XI One: LEADERS ARENT DOING ANYTHING [Advert] Sith Apprentice XI One: IM GONNA GO RAID SOMETHING [Advert] [Senior Admin] Payne: you better not ... [Advert] Sith Apprentice XI One: can you entertain someone on the server besides yourselves [Advert] Sith Apprentice XI One: do training or something [/b] So what you said was blown out of the water " [i]This bit is just terrible because you took 2 quotes from the end of the conversation and made it look like it came from the beginning, when you were indeed the first person to insult anyone in the issue. All I said was you weren't doing anything with us when you literally weren't doing anything at all with us. The first person to disrespect was you, don't try to point any fingers and take quotes out of context. I wasn't trying to get you to make us train with just 1v1s or something, as a leader you have to make RP and keep everyone busy. You can't just sit in a room and "meditate" all day. That's my much much shorter response. If you have anything valid to say, please say it oh and,[/i] [size=200][b]why on earth would the person who made the ban be allowed to deny the appeal? Do you see how incredibly biased that is?[/b][/size] [i]Oh no, I can't let this guy get accepted, better just dish out false information and call it denied so it doesn't make me look bad. Not sure how my quote is out weighed by someone saying their going to smash my teeth in, him calling me a baby and speaking in a rude tone, then tping to me and yelling at me in voice about me "talking shit" when I'm just criticizing his way of doing things.[/i]  

THATS, what you call a bad staff

[quote][url='http://empirenetworks.mistforums.com/user/135925']TheComet[MuteGod][/url] said previously: THATS, what you call a bad staff[/quote] heyoo, thanks for the support.